SAE Climate Control Committee Agenda –Meeting Wed. Feb. 6, 2013


Interior Climate Control Committee

Co-Chairs: Ward Atkinson / Bill Hill

Wednesday, February 6, 2013

8:00 am – 5:00 pm

Bonaire 6-8


Caribe Royale Hotel
8101 World Center Drive
Orlando, FL 32821

Reservation number – 888.258.7501

At the beginning of each meeting the chairman must read the SAE Anti-Trust Statement, Patent Disclosure and Transparency Statements provided below.


Anti-Trust Statement:  In discharging their responsibilities, members of the Technical Standards Board, Councils/Division, and Technical Committees function as individuals and not as agents or representatives of any organization with which they may be associated, except that government employees participate in accordance with governmental regulations.  Members are appointed to SAE Technical Committees on the basis of their individual qualifications which enable them to contribute to the work of the Committee.

Patent Disclosure:  Each SAE Technical Committee or SAE working group member would be required to disclose at specified times during a development process all patents and patent applications that are owned, controlled or licensed by the member, member’s employer or third party and that the member believes may become essential to the draft specification under development. The member would make this disclosure based on the member’s good faith and reasonable inquiry. If SAE International receives a notice that a proposed SAE Technical Report may require the use of an invention claimed in a patent, the respective part of the SAE Technical Standards Board Policy will be followed.


Transparency Statement:

This Technical Committee is committed to transparency at the highest level.  All topics are discussed in open meetings and decisions are consensus based (not unanimous). Committee members are required to be vigilant in their efforts to monitor Committee activities and decisions by actively participating in the Committee.  Any issues with the transparency of this Committee not resolved by the Committee Chairman should be brought to the attention of the SAE for resolution.


Review of the Minutes from Last Meeting – October 12, 2012


The following information covers the facility and if those attending would like to take advantage of the MACS room rates.

MACS Worldwide has secured the best possible group rate at our 33rd Annual Training Event and Trade Show at the beautiful Caribe Royale All‑Suite Hotel & Convention Center in Orlando, FL. The MACS negoti­ated rate for a single room is $145, plus tax, per night. For reservations, please go to the MACS web site at   and click on the 2013 Training Event page, or call 1‑888‑258‑7501.

Please remember to mention you are part of the MACS Training Event & Trade Show. You will be re­quired to provide a non‑refundable first night’s deposit by credit card or check. Room reservations must be made by January 5, 2013, after which, reservations and substitution requests will be accepted only if hotel space is available. The hotel will try to continue to honor the convention rate after the cutoff date based on room availability. Please remember to keep your confirmation number. Please advise the hotel regard­ing any disabilities or special requirements. Check‑in time is 4:00 pm and check‑out time is 11:00 am.



Proposed Agenda   Revised

  • Welcome and Introductions
  • Approval of Minutes from October 30, 2012 meeting
  • Standards That Are Published
  • J2911Procedure for Certification that Requirements for Mobile Air Conditioning System Components, Service Equipment, and Service Technician Training Meet SAE J Standards
    • Key revisions in new version  Gary Pollak
    •  J2727 HFC-134a Mobile Air Conditioning System Refrigerant Emission Chart 
    • Working Groups in afternoon after Lunch Break
      • R40 issue?
      • Recovery cylinder for shipping used/contaminated refrigerant
      • Automotive refrigerant recovery/recycling equipment intended for use with multiple refrigerants
      • Review of WIP Standards
        • J1628 Technician Procedures for Refrigerant Leak Detection in Service of Mobile Air Conditioning Systems J1662 Compatibility of Retrofit Refrigerants with Air-Conditioning System Materials
        • J2763 Test Procedure for Determining Refrigerant Emissions from Mobile Air Conditioning Systems
        • J2765 Procedure for Measuring System COP [Coefficient of Performance] of a Mobile Air Conditioning System on a Test
        • J2766 Life Cycle Analysis to Estimate the CO2-Equivalent Emissions from MAC Operation
        • J2810 HFC-134a (R-134a) Refrigerant Recovery Equipment for Mobile Automotive Air-Conditioning Systems
        • J2851 Recovery Equipment for Contaminated Refrigerant From Mobile Automotive Air Conditioning Systems
        • Recovery cylinder for shipping used/contaminated refrigerant
        • DuPont Proposal
        • Review of R-1234yf Industry Use and Activity
          • New R1234yf SAE CRP
          • •    Patent disclosure – Standard format
          • New proposed standards
            • Automotive refrigerant recovery/recycling equipment intended for use with multiple refrigerants
            • Single equipment convertible to handle R134a-R-1234yf- R-22 –R407C
            • Other Items
              • US EPA  Drusilla Hufford
              • Introduction of  Rebecca von dem Hagen. Her activities  will be the SNAP and  609 MVACs sector expert.
              • R40 issue Review of the rogue R-134a supply issue entering the international service sector
                • AHRI White Paper Update On Contaminated R134a [R40 and other refrigerants] refrigerant standards
                • Service Lubricant Study    Scott Gustafson
                • Review of SAE LCCP Activities
                • Refrigerant Blend Heat Pump Cooperative Research Program

About macsworldwide

Mobile Air Conditioning Society (MACS) Worldwide Founded in 1981, MACS is the leading non-profit trade association for the mobile air conditioning, heating and engine cooling system segment of the automotive aftermarket. Since 1991, MACS has assisted more than 600,000 technicians to comply with the 1990 U.S. EPA Clean Air Act requirements for certification in refrigerant recovery and recycling to protect the environment. The Mobile Air Conditioning Society (MACS) Worldwide’s mission is clear and focused--as the recognized global authority on mobile air conditioning and heat transfer industry issues.
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